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WARNING: MODERATELY INCOHERENT RANT AHEAD.

FUCK. THIS. SHIT.

I am no longer allowed to look at mature content deviations. I can't look at the nude stock gallery, or anything else vaguely objectionable. I can't see daily deviations that have breasts in them- fuck it, I have breasts! They're not something new or exciting. They allow porn on the site, and let's face it, everyone has seen boobs. EVERYONE. The vast majority of people have touched them, too. STOP GETTING HUNG UP OVER IT.

I am seventeen years old. I have worked with nude models. But apparently, I can't look at the handy, useful nude stock photos because some fuckers complained. Now, if there was a graded filter- artists could mark their art for a certain age and above- that would be different. More SANE. I've half a mind to leave this fucking place until I turn eighteen. I feel kind of betrayed. I can no longer look at the beautiful nude works or the interesting violent ones or anything. DA is probably going to lose more people to this than it ever did to the people who complained about the way it was before.

So, your thoughts on the issue, be you above or below eighteen?
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darkhalm7 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012
I feel your pain. I can't say more. At least not yet. FFFFFFFFFFFFF, three more months... then I can talk....
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TrapDoor-Stock Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2007
My first recommendation is :iconalmudena-stock:. She's one of my VERY good stock sisters and offers gorgeous, classic nude stock. If you approached her on the issue I wouldn't be surprised if she'd be willing to help.
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TrapDoor-Stock Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2007
I'm rather objective to this issue.

On the one hand, I can see parents not wanting their children to see the nudity. Yes, nudity is a taboo, and NO it probably shouldn't be. In the U.S. we make SUCH a big deal out of everything that (almost) everywhere else in the world is an everyday occurence. Nudity, alcohol, drugs.. Over in Europe they don't make such a big deal about this.

However, then you have the line of, 'I can view THIS not THAT?'

Some people just aren't mature enough to look at nude art and appreciate it.

Like people who see nude stock art and made degrading, dirty, sexual and disrespectful comments towards the model. There are a lot of stockers that like this new rule.

There are also a number of artists who like the nude stock resources and are plenty mature to handle viewing and using them responsibly. And in this way, it's hard to draw a solid line on the issue.

However, I have a suggestion. As a stocker myself I don't offer nude stock. But, there are MANY wonderful stockers who do. IF you approached a few of them politely, maturely and explained why you'd like to use the stock in a note, I wouldn't doubt that some of them would be happy to privately send you images since you're 17 and almost of legal maturity anyway.

If you'd like I'd be happy to ask/recommend a few to you.

It is unfortunate that a few have to ruin things for everyone but that is sadly how things seem to go.

Oh, and I myself just turned 18 in September, narrowly missing this restriction.
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vividwings Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can understand how stockers would like this new restriction- the ones that do nude stock are so helpful to those of us still learning anatomy, and I've used all kinds of stock, for references and manips. The people who make those comments should get banned. Gah, that's one of the things that pisses me off a lot- stock artists go to so much trouble to provide the rest of the community with useful, often indispensable stock photos, and the immature kids or even adults have to go screw it up. I suppose there's a silver lining to everything- I can't see the Mature content stuff for six more months, and stock artists get less dirty comments on their work. I just wish there was a more... flexible system. Like artists putting an age limit on their work, which would let them fine-tune the rating for each artwork.

As for the nude stock issue, I think I'll use either my brother's account or I'll make a new one with a slightly altered birth date. I turn eighteen in May, so I'm afraid of making an alternate account just for looking at Mature Content stuff when I will only be using it for a short period of time. I wouldn't want to bother the stock artists for photos when there are several very quick and easy solutions that don't involve more work for them. But thank you for the suggestion. :)
(On a side note, I've contemplated making a stock account for a while. I have all these neat old costumes.)
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TrapDoor-Stock Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2007
that's also a way to do it. Another loophole is people can just make new accounts and lie about their age or use someone else's account. So really it's debatable whether this will solve a problem.

(I don't think there could every be enough stock. and if you have costumes you certainly should consider it.)
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CrazedRaven Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2007
Well don't blame dA, but the immature individuals who have forced dA to take this action.

I theorize that people DeviantArt did this because a whole lot of people were abusing the optional "click here to show" thing and perhaps doing unspeakable things. I also think its there to protect children not from the evils of nudity and extreme violence, but pedophiles; even in a very mellow network such as dA there are some really bad people out there who would hesitate to show a picture of genitalia to some little kid he met on the internet.

Meh, that's just my theory.

Hmm... to be very frank I do support this; rather extreme, but I know it is somewhat necessary.

As for nudity stocks or w/e you call them, I'm acting ignorant but can't you use sculptures are reference for drawing bodies? They are "uncensored" and they capture the anatomy pretty well.
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vividwings Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually, the mods explained why they did it. They said that it was due mostly to complaints from parents about their kids seeing 'mature' artwork, not because of pedophiles or whatever. And porn isn't allow on this site anyway, so it's not like the kids will be seeing anything really graphic. People below the age of thirteen aren't even supposed to be on this site without parental approval, and I think once you're thirteen you can deal with a little bit of nudity, or violence.
And statues and stuff are a) often not in useful poses to use as a reference and b) often copyrighted. Stock images are by definition copyright-free or at least only partially restricted. Stock photos are one of the most useful things on this site, and to be deprived of good, copyright-free anatomy references really annoys me.
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balung Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2007
on the setting, just turn off the mature content filter.
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vividwings Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can't until I turn eighteen. They started checking birthdays, and I can't change the mature content filter settings until I am legally an adult. :(
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omglawl Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2007
Now I'm completely confused. I can still see deviations with nudity, when was this enforced? Why didn't I get the memo? Maybe it was in one of those "Artist Relations Newsletters" I always delete.
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